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Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.
lunes, 25 de junio de 2007 10:53
I do have to report that the e-mail received by the Webmaster from Canadian DanceSport Federation and featured in THE NEWS has caused me several laughs. It is in my view so immature so petty and so unprofessional..
We all know that dancesportinfo.net is the BEST dance website that there is but I wonder was the e-mail sent to only one web site. If so WHY? After today however that might well be rectified.
I have checked several other sites and there is no mention. Could this be because if received they did not take it seriously? Could it be that one of the persons named is a member of this forum and they are reacting to opinions in threads? It shows the power of dancesportinfo.net forums in that case.
Instead of carping it would be better if Candian DanceSport Federation took pride in the fact that some Candian Professional - protecting the freedom and rights of people for which Canada is renown - were prepared to propose that ALL couples from every association and country had the right todance and compete in any Open event free of bans, boycotts and the threat of punishment.
I can well imagine a special meeting being called all the named persons summonsed then a debate and a vote being taken which of course received unanimous support and then a specific order being issued "Write an e-mail. and make clear we have the permission of every individual person to use their name".
What is very amusing is that the WDC do not suggest that Mr. Stephen Harper the Prime Minister of Canada flew to Blackpool to propose the motion - and even if he had a huge number of Canadians would have said he does not speak for me.
In the thread about whether to sign the WDC Register or not Jazz asked this question
Who in Canada made the proposal to WDC ?
The answer was very obvious since WDC only accepts motions proposed by its members so as I advised Jazz it was the Canadian Dance & DanceSport Council the Canadian Representatives to the WDC.
Simple and not rocket science.
Jazz also in the same thread made this observation
And why is it that such a proposal -coming from such 'less than a significant 'dance' country' ( compared with Russia, Italy, Japan ...or any other country around the world- you name it ) - was accepted in such a grand style, and immediately acted upon
I did point out that no matter how insignificant a nation might be they had a voice and were treated as equals by WDC. In any event I can imagine that the move has long been debated by various member countries and the motion would have been debated and a vote taken before action was taken.
Clearly the Canadian Dancesport Federation disagree with Jazz and believe that they are highly significant and THEY ARE "Canada" and speak for "Canada".
Interesting for me though are the following
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1. Was a copy of the e-mail sent - as would be honourable - to the WDC and the Canadian Dance & DanceSport Council.? Certainly it does not seem to be an "Open" Letter widely distributed.
2. Why did these persons - who claim to be the majority - not remain in the "Council: and bring change through democratic principles?
Had they done that then "Canada" would not have proposed the motion so maybe they should blame themselves if CDF disagree.
OR
Do they simply believe in their own agenda and would deny Canada the right to a voice at WDC?
3. Do these people believe that it is in the best interests of Canadian Dancers to (a) cause further division (b) to support monopolies, domination and discrimination?
4. Have the signatories acted purely to protect their own rights.?
Would those who promote competitions not received sanctions for their evens in the future?
Would those who coach not be allowed to continue coaching CADA/IDSF couples?
Would they have not been allowd to adjudicate CADA/IDSF events?
5. CADA is a member of IDSF and IDSF claims it represents all Amateur and Professional - who are ONE and there is no distinction so why on earth not join CADA directly? That would be the most obvious thing I believe. and create even greater unity and co-operation between them.
Alternatively
have CDF (or is that CDSF?) unanimously sworn support to IPDSC? We should know..
What also interests me is why we are NOT told that it was CANADA who proposed the motions at the IDSF AGM to reject the report of the then 1st Vice President of IDSF and WHY that report is kept secret rather than giving all members the opportunity to read how some in IDSF feel? It is not all sunshine and roses as the public scriptures suggest..
The most fascinating thing for me is
what we are NOT told
is always more imporant than what we are..
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Sorry it is again multiple questions and not one question and one answer.
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Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.
lunes, 25 de junio de 2007 14:01
Polkadancer, when you were born, has your mother dropped you onto your head ?
Whatever has happened with your impartiality and reasoning. Your conclusions are ridiculous and illogical. CDF wrote a letter ? What letter ?
You propose an interestingly sounding thread, suggesting a letter was received from the newly formed canadian dance federation, so I log in to get more details, just to find you and jazz continue you petty discussion, you, not surprisingly, and again attacking IDSF and now proposing Jazz is CDF ?
What lind of rubbish and misinformation are you spreading and what is your motive ?
Is it because Jazz exchanged civilized and quite informative information with a Philippine's representative ? Sure, you had to butt in to at least add your unkind and prickly comments.
Why not allow others to have opinions that differ from yours ? Why the need to force yourself on others, why insult CDF and its hard working members, who volunteer to improve and to make dancesport better in Canada ?
It is rather curious how much you claim you know about Canada . Forget not, unless you know 100% who in Canada made the proposal to WDC, and I am sure you think you know everything, while we know you have an opinion about everything, be more Modest. Look up the meaning in a dictionary. It is between J ( Jazz ) and P ( Polkadancer).
Are you saying there is a letter from CDF to the webmaster ? Or is it your another of your dillussions, which Think of me is trying to get rid off ?
You are on record suggesting many of this forums contributors are came person, and it is interesting how all of us, the same person are taking our valuable time to repond to each other, all sharing seamingly infinite dislike to your personal comments, and in turn we cathc your didease and become personal toward you. The problem is you appear to strive on it, yet until recenly you occassionaly posted quite interesting and often quite reasearched observations.
If you suggest Jazz is CDF you lost your marbles. And unless you quote, or make a reference to this alleged CDF letter to webmaster and to DancesportInfo.net havin a proof of the origin at CDF you are just out of order and just spreading lies and propaganda.
@jazz
Sorry Jazz for using your name . I could have used name of many others..
I enjoyed the answers to you from Phildancer. It is interesting to see how dancers in other countries seek world's recognition, and how their methods are similar to those in other countries.
Does anyone know ( other that Polkadancer ) how CDF is doing in signing up all Canadian Professionals. I understand that Canadian dancesport is on the right track now with CDF and CADA cooperating and in doing so creating new dabcesport opportunities for Canadian Amateurs accross their vast land ?
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Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.
lunes, 25 de junio de 2007 14:18
 jive2004:
Polkadancer, when you were born, has your mother dropped you onto your head ?
. Your conclusions are ridiculous and illogical. CDF wrote a letter ? What letter ?
Are you saying there is a letter from CDF to the webmaster ? Or is it your another of your dillussions,
And unless you quote, or make a reference to this alleged CDF letter to webmaster and to DancesportInfo.net havin a proof of the origin at CDF you are just out of order and just spreading lies and propaganda.
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LETTER available to be read in "NEWS" at Dancesportinfo.net as I stated in my post.
You see Jive 2004 the letter to which I refer exactly exists unlike the letter you claimed you had read from the IDSF distancing themselves from the Galvagno Racist Communication. You are a master of msinformation and false claims as you re-inforce yet again.
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Canadian Dancesport Federation letter in response to WDC Press release
Submitted by CDF
21 Jun 2007
We have received an email from the Canadian Dancesport Federation stating the following:
Dear Webmaster,
I attach a letter that has been written and released by the Canadian Dancesport Federation in regards to the WDC Press Release that was on your site last week.
To Our Dancesport Friends around the World,
The members of the Canadian Dancesport Federation would like to correct the information that was recently released in regards to the new Amateur Dancesport League. In fact, the proposal made to the WDC to form this League, came from the Canadian Dance & Dancesport Council (CDDSC) and NOT from "CANADA".
The CDDSC represents a very small number of Canadian Dancesport Professionals. The majority are represented by the Canadian Dancesport Federation, who have a great working agreement with our Amateur body and can see no reason for a new system when the one we have works.
M. Davies, J. Edgett, J. Menzies-Newton, K. Murphy, P. Allaire, D. Arbour, M. Bolduc, P. Bovaird, S. Champagne, P. Chartier, G. Cournoyer, D. Desloges, R. DiMarco, A. Doucet, S. Elimanov, S. Ernest, I. Farand, D. Foisy, J-M Genereux, D. Heroux, M. Hurteau, S. Jacques, A. Jolicoeur, L. Jolicoeur, R. Lemyre, S. Lemyre, J-F. Messier, F. Mousseau, M. Pearson, M. Savaria, D. Quilliam, S. St-Denis, G. Trottier, S. Trottier, M. Veilleux, J. Allenbick, P. Allenbick, G. Argentini, A. Armsby, A. Bee, E. Belashov, J. Bouma, S. Cardinal, T. Cardinal, B. Cayton, J. Chalkevitch, V. Chalkevitch, V. Chernyshev, S. Corapi, N. Cowan, M. Ehler,K. Fadeeva, A. Florin, E. Franco, I. Fylymonchyk, O. Fylymonchyk, K. Gibb, P. Goh, M. Golovaneski, A. Harding-Trafford, D. Ilyushenov, M. Jennings, J. Karakis, G. Kastulin, L. Kerbel, L. Kerbel, H. Kessler, M. Kolarova, N. Kopossova, D. Lee, P. Lee, I. Lebedev, J. Lepine, N. Logan, B. Mayer, A. Mostovoy, V. Mostovoy, D. Murphy, S. Nelson, I. Nikon, Y. Nikon, M. Ottaviani, A. Paramonov, A. Pepple, C. Perron, S. Pogonet, W. Pollock, K. Renaud, H. Ross, V. Ross, S. Ruddick, P. Smith, A. Sniegocki, J. Sniegocki, C. Sochnacki, I. Strelnikova, K. Stytsenko, R. Tang, R. Thibeault, B. Torner, S. Vaidila, A. Vaidilene, J. Valvasori, A. Wahab, J. Wood, P. Worrall, T. Worrall, O. Yedlin, M. Milette, L. Ardern, J. Belmonte, K. Donaghy, C. Folkes, M. Holub, D. Lacroix, M. Lefebvre, J. Leipert, S. Luu, T. Luu, D. Matiaszow, A. McPherson P. Pawlicka, L Pereira,G. Requena, R-M. Requena, D. Romaire, G. Zielinska, G. Bettner, C. Chan, L. Chen, A. Cherdantsev, B. Child, T. Copp, M. Guimond, C. Lee, J. Marasigan, , E. Mitchenko, R. Mitchenko, D. Neale, C. Shih, D. Tremblay, W. Wang, A. Wong, N. Wong, W. Wong |
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See you even get your answer as to who is in CDF.
Jive2004 (or whatever name you are writing under at the time) I do seriously wonder if you know how a forum is meant to operate
In a free world - and let us give thanks the Adminiostrators of this web site agree - people are entitled to write their view and opinions and draw attention to matters in the dance world. There should not be a ban on anything simply because you do not want to read them.
People might dislike posts especially those which are too logical and truthful but that does not mean they should not be made.
Jazz who is so important for you once wisely wrote "This is not a popularity contest".
If you are rsponding to a thread try and stick to that thread rather than wander of into another..
If you are respondng to a post and that post has questions then answer the questions.
To simply make personal attack does not bring much credit to you.and simply shows you recognise the accuracy of the words and will go to any lengths to evade answering..
Most important remember that whilst very few might make posts - many many more READ.
Have you ever noticed the number of "Anonymous" users? Have you noticed the many registered members who have never made a post?. ..Are you afraid of these peope reading and thinking and reaching their own conclusions?
Jive2004 I am used to your making false and inaccurate claims and let me stress another
I wrote
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Could it be that one of the persons named is a member of this forum and they are reacting to opinions in threads? It shows the power of dancesportinfo.net forums in that case.
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You claim I accuse Jazz.
I do no such thing.
My question was "Could it be that one of the persons named is a member of this forum".
We know that there are several regulars from Canada and it could be anyone of them.
If it is accurate equally it could be you or Bud2007 and you are trying a clever bluff tactic.
However I give you the benefit of the doubt since I cannot imagine having witten the letter you would state "what letter. Are you havng delusions".
Well then again I suppose they could.
To furthe demonstrate your confusion you claim I accuse Jazz of being CDF and this overlooks that I actually say the CDF disagree with Jazz.. If I was suggesting that Jazz was CDF how could I be suggesting that she disagrees with herself?.
I have no recollections as what have happened to me when I was born but I can guarantee that if my mother did accidentally drop me on my head it certainly helped to make my brain that much more positive, logical and enquiring so it was to the good for sure.
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Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.
lunes, 25 de junio de 2007 15:53
Tango. I truly believe that we had reached an agreement to ignore each other. However I cannot let your statements pass on this occasion.
As I said before words can mean different things to different people and if you have placed the wrong interpretation on those words then that may be your fault..
I clearly do NOT mean what you claim. In fact I make specific mention of the power of the dancesportinfo.net forum as you ackowledge. Therefore it becom even harder to understand how you could reach such naccurate conclusions if you are a fair minded person...
I have the utmost respect for the honesty and integrity of the webmaster and all those involved in the dancesportinfo.net
I know very very well that what appears in the "News" is factual and coroberated. and can be taken as accurate.
All those involved in Dance have much to be grateful to for the entire dancesportinfo.net team.
I do not attack you Tango for being disrespectful to all the others involved in this magnificent team effort since you single out the webmaster..
I most seriously DO believe that the letter WAS from the Canadian DanceSport Federation.
I highlighted that it was available to be read in the News section.
If I did not believe that the letter was FACT then I would never have made this post. .I would never have asked the question I did. Let us hope that Canadian Dancesport Federation will now give the answers to the questions.
I simply questioned if the letter had been sent to the dance world and not just dancesportinfo.net alone taking note of its opening.
If it had been sent to other websites I wondered why none of the other web sites made reference to it. How you conclude this is an attack on the Webmster at dancesportinfo.net I cannot imagine.
If it was not sent to other websites - why not when CDF felt so strongly.. It seems strange - but then as I did say Dancesporinfo.net is the Best.
I questioned if the e-mail had been sent by one of the persons named and even if permission had been obtained from all persons for naming them. You above all people I know dislike "name dropping" as you called it. . I pondered if the sender were member of this forum. I fail to understand why you consider this to be impossible or forbidden to ponder.
Interesting how you very obviously read the lettr but do not draw the communication to the attention of Juve2004 in answer to the question "Letter. What Letter".
Webmaster and all at dancesportinfo.net I pay great tribute to all the very hard working team. If you were offended by my words then I sincerely apologise as certainly no insult or slight was intended.
Tango If your morality is as perfect as you cnstantly pretend you will make a similar apology to me..
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Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.
lunes, 25 de junio de 2007 19:48
@Tango,
no worries, beware of the fork tongue, as you think you make peace you get stabed from behind, are you still surprised.
I waited for an honest and sincere response regarding the inquiry about the fall on the head, but Polkadancer avoids such important questions, and goes on about other things .
Jive2004 this time you seem to have missed the boat, Polkadancer is again on top of the situation, and thanks to his posting of the News we all are informed. . Who is suggesting Jazz=CDF ??? In Polkadancers imagination. What I do not like in the news is the suggestion that the proposal did not come from "Canada", because all evidence and fingers point at Quebec as the source of the request, and Quebec is part of Canada. CDF is a credible, respectful organization, which works hard on behalf of Canadian Professional Dancesport , which has proven its place, has a great majority if not the most Professionals as members, and could never lower themselves to such a statement. It would be a shame.
Interesting how obsessed Polkadancer is with Canadian dancesport. Not with Russian, not with Italian, not with Czechoslovakian but with Canadian. But everyone has a sore spot, and for Polkadancer it is everyone who does not agree with him, but he sure spends lots of time researching, making comparisons, checking when people sign on, bothering Admin , agreeing with Peter to keep on his good side, kissing up to webmaster professing this Forum is the best that happened to him, yet, and sadly for P. this is probably correct, picking and poking, often misunderstanding posts, attacking then immediately saying sorry, which means nothing, since any remorse in insincere, backpadling, or as you say backtracking. I wonder what Polkadancer finds so amusing (my assumption) when corresponding with himself under different names ? Think of me, penny for your thought. ( so far that's all the treatment progress is probably worth .[;) if rated by success ]
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Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.
martes, 26 de junio de 2007 7:20
Tango it seems you are determined to continue this unless you have the last word. What was it you wrote once before -- Do not reply just "Take it on the chin". Arrogance personified..
1. Very clearly you are once again writing without ever stopping to think
2. Very clearly you have not thought about one word of either of my posts when you claim I am "wriggling like a worm". It seems some people have difficulty understanding simple words and sentences and so a member has to make an explanation. That is what I was doing and that is very far from wriggling or back tracking..
Confronted? Ahh so you admit you believe in "confrontation" Interesting. I on the ther hand am perfctly prepared to debate matters - but before that can happen I need to read opinions on the content of the post rather than personal attacks - which have no impact upon me at all..
3. You cannot find one post by me starting "for Tango" since we agreed to ignore each other. To the contrary it was you who responded to several posts I had made. Posts made in response to other members contributions. The only time I have responded to you was with regard to Stopford McColl and my memory failed me. This is an open forum so that is absolutely your right but please take the blame for yourself.
Actually I worry when you "agree" with me and I get the feeling I must be doing something wrong.
Whether you agree or disagree is all the same so do not flatter yourself.
4. It was you wrote these words yesterday.
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It is wrong to insinuate that a member of this forum is one of the persons named on the email, do you have proof ? Or even any indicition that this is the case ?
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Let me explain again - NO WRIGGLING. I did not insinuate I posed a thought no more no less but unfortunately you did not stop and think.
My exact words without "insuation" were
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Could it be that one of the persons named is a member of this forum and they are reacting to opinions in threads? It shows the power of dancesportinfo.net forums in that case.
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You never thought -
Do I Tango have proof or even an indication that there is no connection.
You were so eager to attack that you never thought - Strange that this letter has only been sent to dancesportinfo when the message is meant for dancers in every country and many do not speak english.
This becomes even more relevant when the letter from CDF dated 21st June contains the words "on your site last week". .The WDC Press Release was carried on many sites including dancesportinfo.net on 11th June. That certainly was not on 21st June - last week. .
Was the CDF letter sent to them all?
If not then why not?
Why single out dancesportinfo.net as though it had done something wrong in posting a WDC Press Release?.
When CDF are issuing a petty letter to correct something they should make sure that their own facts are accurate.
Since the CDF are criticising and insinuating that Mr. Stopford is not truthful let us hear your opinion on that. Mr. Stopford is of course an officer of the WDC Amateur League. which is wat the CDF letter was all about.
Think Tango think please.
It is you who has insulted the entire hard working Dacesportinfo team by your insinuation that there is shame in being a member and also that CDF members are far superior and supreme to lower themselves to become members of dancesportinfo.net.
One thing is very obvious but not to you Tango. Someone from CDF must visit the website if they know that WDC Press Release was there.. .
5. You have repeatedly informed us that you have no interest in Political" matters and no knowledge on "Political" matters. Please please why become involved in something about which by your own admission you are lacking in knowledge and interest.
6. CDF are paraded as paragons of virtue and so hard working. Is this an insinution that other societies are not? Virtue is in the eye of the beholder something you should know very wll with your belief in your own virtuous pretentsion.....
What is especially interesting is how you evade answering anything which becomes difficult to respond such as why you did not question Jive2004 in her implied accusation that there was no letter in existence - a letter you had read - and where she insulted the webmaster and all the dancesportinfo team in the pretence that there was no letter and they had invented this in their "news".
Jive2004 actually wrote And unless you quote, or make a reference to this alleged CDF letter to webmaster and to DancesportInfo.net havin a proof of the origin at CDF you are just out of order and just spreading lies and propaganda.
Instead you blush and adopt your false modesty pose and react "Me perfect NO. I am only 99% perfect but I am an expert on morality" The "Mother Theresa" act of yours is wearing very thin now.
I am not surprised that there was no apology. It takes a big person someone with integrity and morals to apologise.
Let me now make it very clear. "Lie and Cheat" ugly words potentially libellous words and used by you really show your very low standards and I accept that those qualities are your forte..
You can have the last word since all you can do is discredit yourelf with personal attacks from your mountaintop morality throne and I am not concerned. Please continue with your sanctimonious nastiness if that gives you pleasure, satisfaction and a feeling of security...
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