Re: UNREGISTERED COMPETITIONS: WHAT ARE THEY?

lunes, 03 de marzo de 2008 6:24

Re: UNREGISTERED COMPETITIONS: WHAT ARE THEY?

lunes, 03 de marzo de 2008 17:26

"CADA lists the competitions run by CDDSC (WDC recognized body) as unregistered and threatens to suspend their members who participate in them.

CDTA even went further and last year listed the USA National Championships as "unregistered" for CADA amateur dancers."

A couple of years ago CADA allowed their members attend all CDDSC competitions.  Then CDDSC made  not very friendly gestures, steps and CADA has reacted,  and took a chance that their members would remain loyal to them. They have,  and CDF was formed,  making CDDSC ( "WDC recognized body") redindant/obsolete/ not relevant ...

CDDSC need take a humility pill and show little remorse.  This demise of CDDSC ( the WDC recognized body )  and their split and formation of CDF  was not CADA doing.   It was a result of internal didpleasure withing CDDSC ! 

  Instead of  being humble, remaining fregmants of 'used to be '  CDDSC lures  CADA memebers to break Rules and join them in a single and the only Ontario based competition this summer ?

Does such action shows any  regard for the CADA members and their future in dance within the only amateur dancesport asociation in Canada = CADA

Is this so difficult to understand ?  Should CADA be a target of criticism for it,  rather than CDDSC ?

You mentioned that CDTA listed competition in USA as "unregistered" ,  and without making further searches,  did you mean CDTA (  canadian teachers association ) or did you mean  some other ?

Re: UNREGISTERED COMPETITIONS: WHAT ARE THEY?

lunes, 03 de marzo de 2008 21:58

Thank you la mamba and Sambatogo for clarifying a rather confusing situation.

One day we may, with help of a crystal ball, get the real story.

With interest I read that "Excecutive in the C.D.D.S.C. were very co operative in helping C.A.D.A. develop its teaching programs for its members."

Since CADA only administers amateur dancesport,  are you in fact saying that CDDSC ( with just too many dots between the letters to follow your example, no pun intended  ),  was a source of  teachers and coaches,  and the teaching programs you refered to were perhaps quite expensive private and group lessons these teachers and coaches make their living of ?

And I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong,  but aren't  you saying that CDDSC's teachers were teaching dance to their students,  who in turn became members of CADA because they had to if they wanted to dance in competitions ?

Of course there is nothing wrong with that,  unless you want to congratulate, as you had mentioned,  The Executive in CDDSC. (  I am sure you meant the plural executives and not just The leader of the CDDSC )

Was it or was it CDTA that is the source of teachers, and if so, how has CDDSC Executive helped CADA develop what you say it had ?

But such is life.  You want to learn to dance, you go to social dances, some dancers are better than others,  you ask them, thay say take group lessons, you do,  you take a few private lessons, you love it,  your friends compete,  you want same,  they say you must belong to .....for example OADA, you do not understand, but pay and find you also became CADA member, and under the IDSF umbrela,   you are as happy as you can be,  you enter competitions,  at first you just take a part, do not care much for results,  than you win, cause your teacher gave you that extra mark,  you find about politics,  you find about dancesportinfo web and other sites,  you start reading all the gossip,  you spend more moneys,  then you want to dance out of your province just to find  some competitions are restricted , and life goes on.  Your organisation makes all rules and decisions for you, after all you had no time to go to their general meeting whuch was on Sunday,  but you had an excuse, you were probably in a church.

I  even feel sympathy for the ex-CDDSC  because as another writer stated,  they are not needed.  CDF filled the missing link and the need.  Too bad,  life goes on,  but I would not drum the chest  boasting about large meberships.  You know and I know  that for the size of the country,  even for the size of the population there are very few competitive dancers in Canada ,  and  I mean young dancers,  not the over 40 years olds,  hwo are in a retirement or semiretirement and use dance to keep from getting obsesively out of shape, or bored at home.

Forget not that it is the young dancers  who may put Canada on the map as far as dance is concerned.   And it is the lack of opportunity to excell ( bacause new  much better dancers may arrive/emmigrate  to Canada and literarily destroy the existing field of dancers,  thus blocking them for years to come , preventing them if ever from  reach the top ) that stops parents from investing into the kids dance lessons....it is just too expensive and with a very small potential for return.

Besides,  after kids turn 18 years of age,  unless they want to learn a trade , go to university,   they may stay and make moneys by teaching, but without a pension plan, dental plan,  paid vacations and other benefits,  with just a small population interested in the kraft of dance,  how many teachers do you think will make  a decent living of dance  ?  It takes quite a number of single women or men  support one dancer,  and what if you become injured, sick, disabled,  you have nothing as a back up.   Would that be a future you would recommend your child ?

Sorry, got a bit off the topic, haven't I ?

Re: UNREGISTERED COMPETITIONS: WHAT ARE THEY?

miércoles, 05 de marzo de 2008 15:41

Sambatogo posted:

P-Maker,

You really are a P maker by name and by nature it appears!

And yes your lengthy comments really are off the subject!!

In answer to your really only relevant comment. It was not for the expensive private lessons by CDDSC members. The training was for the top 3 0r 6 CADA dancers so they could teach and make money to support their training you idiot! Thats why some CCDSC members may have been against CDDSC actions. Not all Professionals think that Amatuers should be teaching!

As it so happens 2 of the former CDDSC Excecutives that were part of the CDDSC meeting at the time. The ones you acuse of doing it for their own pocket are now the founding members and Excecutive of the CDF!!

Your off comment about senior dancers who make up a large portion of dancers in canada but also in many other countries as well is very disrepectful and short sighted. You obviously have a very limited point of view.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!   

Was your  responce to P-maker worthy posting  Sambatogo ? 

 If you feel  so strongly,  wouldn't a private post, rather than what you have done  be more appropriate ?  Do you want all reader know what you are made of ?

For someone sounding so well informed, with  such detailed  insight knowledge, into CDDSC,   for someone who criticizes IDSF and CADA constantly  for  acting agresively, and in a dictatorial manner,   you sure lost a credibility  when you "explained",  something an average reader and participant on this Forum cannot have any idea about :

"The training was for the top 3 0r 6 CADA dancers so they could teach and make money to support their training you idiot! "

Before  you point your finger and called someone an  Idiot, Sambatogo, please  notice  when pointing your  finger at someone,  where  your remaining fingers are pointing.   

You concluded you 'assult' on P-maker saying :  "So put that in your pipe and smoke it!!! "

When you corrected my previous posting and  provided your additional insight,   I was happy to learn more about the intricate relationships within your professional organisation. 

Why is it you vocebulary has  become suddanly so limited ?

I  cannot remember anyone, except one contributor,  who dared used such direct vulgarity and profanity to address another contributor.    Obviously you are not with CDF.  And if you are with  CDDSC,  there are so few choices for those who want to take a guess.  Please do not spoil it for CDDSC.  They cannot possibly act the way you do.   Consider how damaging  this could be if coming from that direction.   

@P-maker

I and many readers read and weight different points of views and oppinions,  and even when the information and oppinions provided do not suit us,  we may ignore , or openly disagree, but we try act and respond in a civilized manner.  please accept my appologize for this completely uncalled for outburt from Sambatogo. 

@ Sambatogo:  Shame on you,  you showed no class, poor self-control and no judgment.  Perhaps P-maker touched your sore spot ?  No excuse to call anyone Idiots.  Wait till webmaster learns of your less than professional behaviour on his World wide Forum  and your nasty tamper.

 By the way,  your outburts and name calling is now, and for ever, part of a Public Domain. 

I am disappointed.  I started to believe in you Sambatogo based on what you wrote, and explained to us in the past.  What a let down for me and probably for many readers.

Before you reply and  insult me,  please write your response and sit on it  for a day before pressing the "post" button   so you do not regret posting it a day later.

I hope you are proud of yourself. Was it you who mentioned the word Integrity ?

Re: UNREGISTERED COMPETITIONS: WHAT ARE THEY?

miércoles, 05 de marzo de 2008 17:51

Now that we have all had our tit for tats lets get back to the subject of this thread.

To look at the history, we know that the development of competition dancing in the UK, Canada and the USA was similar in that students took lessons in private dance schools and then went into competitions that were often held by professionals or professional organizations. This was different than in parts of Europe and in communist countries where it was done under a sport organization run by the state. These countries, and the dancers from these countries, bring a different perspective to competition dancing – dare I say a more sport-oriented perspective?

But what this thread points out, is that although you would think the UK, Canada and USA would have similar systems they do not.

Canada seems to be a leader in pushing IDSF philosophy. Particularly with respect to bans on competitions. For years there were about a dozen CDDSC competitions listed on the international IDSF Web Site as unregistered. There was no such list from any other country, although if  we consider competitions that were not held under IDSF rules, some countries had many times the number of "unregistered"competitions than Canada had.

Why was Canada honoured with this preferential treatment?

CADA supporters don't like any mention of the fact that CADA representatives demanded that Vince Bain's report not be presented to the members at the IDSF AGM – because he suggested IDSF should continue to negotiate with WDC.

Under the circumstances does anyone really think that CADA executive is interested in anything but complete control? Would an executive who would not let one of their respected officers present his report at their AGM be the kind of people who would negotiate with another body regarding dancesport?

CADA's position is far more extreme than EADA or USA Dance. Under the circumstances it is hard to see how there will be much change in Canada until there are some new faces on the CADA executive. And they will have to be more than puppets.

Threats, bullying and dirty tricks to try to stop CDDSC events is beginning to backfire. As it has in other countries. More competitors will follow the Danish example and do what is good for the competitor and not for the executive.

This is the advice that should go out to the amateur competitors:

Stop being apathetic.

Don't accept decisions made by the executive that you are not in favour of. The CDTA executive did not send out a referendum asking if their members were in favour of bans. Just the same as they didn't when they changed their bylaws to allow amateurs to teach. 

It's obvious that suggestions of meetings and cooperation are useless and will fall on deaf ears on both sides.